Achille GForce Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 Come vedi caro Achille ognuno ha i suoi pregi e difetti, ne ATI ne nVidia sono perfette... bah non credo proprio è colpa della mia mobo. se nvidia avesse funzicato l'avrei tenuta visto che ho risolto alla grande il problema del monitor e del flash player e meno stuttering quindi occhio a parlare del flop. vabbè che stavo a 54-56° in idle però ......a me giusto per cominciare in SP non avevo più alcun incertezza comunque per ora su ati aggiornando bios ( VGA e MOBO ) + drivers ( 10.4a + profili + sdk + dx e physx aggiornati e tutto dopo una formattazione ) e flash player ( 10.1 beta RC4 ) non si è verificato alcun problema precedente però ancora non ci credo però già se si verifica a queste freqeunze per me va bene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj883u2 Posted May 14, 2010 Author Share Posted May 14, 2010 (edited) http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/3256/sapphire_radeon_hd_5970_toxic_overclocked_with_gtx_480_physx/index.html Edited May 14, 2010 by dj883u2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetracerHCI Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 signori ma come si OC in modalità crosfire con msi afterburn avendo una xfx reference e una MSI ? la MSI sullo slut 1 e la XFX sullo slot 2 stiamo riscontrando un pò di problemi con MSI afterburn anche editando il file con svariati crash anche settando le freqenze di defoult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 signori ma come si OC in modalità crosfire con msi afterburn avendo una xfx reference e una MSI ? la MSI sullo slut 1 e la XFX sullo slot 2 stiamo riscontrando un pò di problemi con MSI afterburn anche editando il file con svariati crash anche settando le freqenze di defoult Powered by Honda (club italia) Anch'io ho avuto problemi (solo con le vecchie versioni) con MSI AB.. Mo sto con evga prec. e mi trovo benissimo Praticamente qual è il problema? MSI AB te le legge invertite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetracerHCI Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 grande DC2 :clapclap::clapclap::clapclap: non è che le legge invertite se proviamo a fixare il clock a 850/1200 sul deskotop come una comune operazione di OC ma con valori di defoult il sistema va in crash.. mentre le due schede montate singolarmente si OCano tranquillamente Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 grande DC2 :clapclap::clapclap::clapclap: non è che le legge invertite se proviamo a fixare il clock a 850/1200 sul deskotop come una comune operazione di OC ma con valori di defoult il sistema va in crash.. mentre le due schede montate singolarmente si OCano tranquillamente Spettacolare la JDM Tornando a noi.. potrebbe essere il CCC che scazza?! hai provato a lasciare l'ATI Overdrive su auto quando smanetti con MSI AB? ..o a provare l'oc direttamente dal CCC lasciando MSI AB in automatico? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riccardo68 Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 Antonio... sai se ci sono novità con i 10.5 ? uscita e miglioramenti vari? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj883u2 Posted May 15, 2010 Author Share Posted May 15, 2010 Prossima settimana si saprà di + su i Catalyst 10.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riccardo68 Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 Prossima settimana si saprà di + su i Catalyst 10.5. e allora buon week end a tutti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maranga Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 perfetto,speriamo ci siano migliorie con quei driver!!!!:clapclap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delly Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 stiamo riscontrando un pò di problemi con MSI afterburn anche editando il file con svariati crash anche settando le freqenze di defoult che versione usi di AB??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj883u2 Posted May 16, 2010 Author Share Posted May 16, 2010 (edited) Da prendere con le dovute cautele..... 1) Originally Posted by don'tknow (Overclockers.com): From what I've been reading on various forums, it seems there is a lot more to this 'tessellation' thing than I thought. ATI uses 1 hardware tessellation unit. Nvidia uses 16 tessellation units that are emulated within the CUDA cores. Currently, ATI's tessellation is not aided by the Stream Processors, whereas Nvidia's SP's are what does it. This is one of the major reasons the tessellation performance difference in Unigine Heaven bench is so huge; NV's cores are constantly being used for emulating Tessellation, while ATI's are only partially used for everything else and only the 1 hardware tessellation unit is being used for tessellation. Once there are moving players/monsters and fighting going on and physics being processed, those shader cores need to process a lot more so there is less room for processing tessellation. This is why the performance gap is smaller in actual games. Currently, ATI is working on changing this within the drivers so that the Stream Processors will aid the Tessellation Unit with processing tessellation. Supposedly this change will be released with the 10.5 drivers and will be the first large tessellation-based improvement. They're also working to further improve tessellation by making the cache work better between the tessellation unit and the SP's, which is going to be in the 11.0 Catalyst drivers. Also, it's likely they're increasing the amount of Hardware Tessellation units in the 5xxx refresh. Very likely even further improved in the 6xxx series. At this point it's very hard to tell if Nvidia is only 'temporarily' better in tessellation, or if they'll hold on to this for a while. Based on the improvements ATI will be making, I'm not doubting at all that the difference in the near future between both will be much smaller than today, for tessellation performance. 2) Originally Posted by NoahDiamond (Overclockers.net): As for improving your scores, stick with 10.3a drivers. The CrossfireX profiles are larger and support more software, and the drivers handle 2D better. There are still problems with multiple monitors going to sleep. This can be resolved by installing the Catalyst 10.2 RC2 drivers, then upgrading to the Catalyst 10.3a drivers without doing an uninstall. This workaround works for now. If you want to boost performance, focus on overclocking the core to boost the tessellation unit processing clocks. Right now, ATI are working on a way to expand tessellation onto the Stream Processors. When they complete that, nVidia is dead. If they get the SP units to work hand in hand as cache and pre/post processors for the tessellation units, then the tessellation performance will SKYROCKET! It technically could be called cheating, but if you want to get the most out of a benchmark with a dedicated tessellation processor, the only way to get more tessellation processor is to assist it. nVidia has no tessellation processor, as tessellation is emulated on the CUDA cores. When the new drivers are finished, likely to be released in the 10.5 beta catalyst drivers, things will change in the benchmark world. Catalyst 11.0 is already in the works, but it is focusing on using the Stream Processors to aid in render on benchmarks and graphics systems, using the tessellation units as a math base cache systems and booster. When these are complete, the HD 5000 series will eat the GTX 480 as a midnight snack, and it will only be the first bite out of the proverbial cake. ATI is re-working the driver models as we speak. In the end, ATI learned from how nVidia handled tessellation, and uses the multiple SIMD I/O system to destroy the graphics gap. Right now, we are using an older model from 9.1 catalyst where tessellation is only run on the tessellation units. The new model will be a complete re-working of the way the card is run. The beauty of ATI's dedicated cores is the card can be software adapted to do so many things, and with the ECC and tessellation units in place, the sky is the limit. P.S.: We found a way to run CUDA core on FireStream, aka the Stream Processors of the HD 5000 series. This does not mean ATI will license it, but hackers are bound to make custom drivers like they did years back that use OpenCL code to run CUDA on ATI 5000 series processors, namely Cypress and Evergreen. The future of ATI is upon us. Why ati cards are so bad at handling tessellation??? - Page 2 - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=321784 Molto interessante.... Edited May 16, 2010 by dj883u2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delly Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 cavolo...interessante davvero!!! :AAAAH: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj883u2 Posted May 16, 2010 Author Share Posted May 16, 2010 cavolo...interessante davvero!!! :AAAAH: Mi sa che ne vedremo delle belle non tra molto..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delly Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 Mi sa che ne vedremo delle belle non tra molto..... eh già...li tira in ballo addirittura i cata 10.5...che dovrebbero uscire tra un 10gg...staremo a vedere...:clapclap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj883u2 Posted May 16, 2010 Author Share Posted May 16, 2010 eh già...li tira in ballo addirittura i cata 10.5...che dovrebbero uscire tra un 10gg...staremo a vedere...:clapclap: Esattamente. Vedremo questi Catalyst 10.5 che migliorie porteranno.:n2mu: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delly Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 dai...supponendo che ci sia un fondo di verità in quello che dicono li...direi che ci sarà da divertirsi... :perfido: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severnaya Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 O_o! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetracerHCI Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 bene bene sto giusto per aggiornare il sistema con i7 piu un altra 5870 :P speriamo non sia solo un rumor infondato... cmq per tornare all'OC di cui parlavo sopra.. il problema l'ha riscontrato un mio amico con win7 64 AB 1.5.1 e anche con il 6 beta qualcosa.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delly Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 bene bene sto giusto per aggiornare il sistema con i7 piu un altra 5870 :P speriamo non sia solo un rumor infondato... cmq per tornare all'OC di cui parlavo sopra.. il problema l'ha riscontrato un mio amico con win7 64 AB 1.5.1 e anche con il 6 beta qualcosa.. già quoto...speriamo che si realizzi quanto detto... riguardo ad AB digli di provare questa versione (1.60beta5)... http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/images/MSIAfterburnerSetup160Beta5.rar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetracerHCI Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 grazie Delly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 grazie Delly Hai risolto il problema? (OT: che ferro hai? civic, itr..? :perfido: ) Ps. Luchì non sai come vanno ste blade mo provo i 2000 cas 6 7 6 18 :AAAAH:... domani porto le perfect in rma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delly Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 Ps. Luchì non sai come vanno ste blade mo provo i 2000 cas 6 7 6 18 :AAAAH:... domani porto le perfect in rma so come vanno...le ho avute...:asd: bravo...poi contattami se ti passano l'rma e ti ritornano eh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 so come vanno...le ho avute...:asd: bravo...poi contattami se ti passano l'rma e ti ritornano eh... A passà devono passà visto che sono morte all'improvviso Poi ti aggiorno come mi fanno sapere qualcosa Luchì Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetracerHCI Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 ancora non so.. non ho sentito il mio amico vi farò sapere al più presto.. e poi a breve ci sbatterò la testa anche io.. prevedo solenne upgrade con i7 920 d0,P6T6 WS Revolution, G.Skill Ripjaws 2ghz, antec nine hundred 2, vonomuosX e un altra 5870 piu 9800gtx :P e vedremo come va DC2---> ho una PREUDE VTEC BB1 con 220cv con tutte le modifiche che ho fatto sto avanti alle s2k stock .. scusate per gli OT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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