E' scoppiato il caos... FAKING=REALTA'?!

principino1984

sembrerebbe la volta buona che qualcuno si Ã¨ rotto le scatole dei soliti ignoti che fanno WR su WR cn frequenze miserabili... e prima che cancellino o editino il post eccolo qui in versione integrale:

Vapor ha scritto:

First off, in light of TaPaKaH's recent admittance of faking everything, we're not scheming to get anyone, or anything like that. He did on his own. However, let's put that in perspective as well. We were all fooled for MONTHS. That's how possible, legitimate, and prevalent cheating really is....and it's a shame.
In zbogorgon's recent thread: How real Superpi and 3DMark results really are? - XtremeSystems Forums , he further elucidates how cheating can be done easily....he's due a lot of credit for coming forward and bringing this up, as well as recognizing where some cheating may exist.

Let's remember one key thing here....the methods that we know exist, speedhack linearly.

Well, SPi doesn't scale linearly, it's inversely proportional. You can't linearly generalize: 100MHz increase is equal to a given time decrease. However, you can say this: MHz * time ~= X, where X is constant for any given setup.

For a high speed, VERY well tweaked 975X + Conroe sytem, X is equal to about 50500. Remember this.

Let's take a look at some top SPI 1.5 results, taken from hwbot.org and from on the forum.

OPB - 5550 x 8.91 = 49451 (Oct 16) here

OPB - 5567 x 9.16 = 50994 (Oct 10) **

Maxxxpct - 5506 x 9.33 = 51370

Coolaler - 5525 x 9.00 = 49725 Lookie here

TaPaKaH - 5408 x 9.36 = 50619

OPB - 5407 x 9.39 = 50772 (Sept 24) **

Memoryextreme Team - 5348 x 9.44 = 50485

Hipro5 - 5376 x 9.45 = 50803

OPB - 5329 x 9.55 = 50892 (Sept **

ojdr2001 - 5348 x 9.55 = 51073

OPB - 5305 x 9.63 = 51087 (Sept 2) **

KP - 5297 x 9.68 = 51275

Hipro - 5217 x 9.72 = 50709

TaPaKaH - 5208 x 9.78 = 50934

zbogorgon - 5196 x 9.8 = 50920

hipro - 5138 x 9.89 = 50815

Kyosen - 4167 x 12.05 = 50212 Lookie here. FWIW, this is THE BEST clock-for-clock time to be found...that's legit at least

before - 5000 x 10.06 = 50300 Lookie here...look at that RAM speed!

kyosen - 9.937 x 5086 = 50540 Lookie here

See a trend? Known, reputable SuperPi GODS need lowish MHz, insane tweaks, and insane RAM to barely break below 50400.

Let's now take a look at Coolaler's progression, from slowest to fastest:

5200 x 9.72 = 50544 (July 12) here

5300 x 9.64 = 51092 (July 17) here

5396 x 9.485 = 51181 (July 18) here

5409 x 9.484 = 51299 (July 19) here

Now things begin to get funky

5485 x 9.204 = 50484 (July 23) here

5512 x 9.156 = 50468 (July 28) here

Now the grand finale:

5525 x 9.000 = 49725 (Aug 2) here

Not a single one of those final three has outstanding FSB/RAM speed or timings, not a single one has much headroom for MHz suicide stability....and are EXCEEDINGLY fast, especially considering his tweaking skills. Something changed....something we can't see.

Well, let's take a look at his results from above....see clock-for-clock improving over time? Then he drops the bomb: 8.906 at 5550. He also later shares all his tweaks, they're old, they don't do that much (if anything) on C2D, people have tried them. Then, if you also look back at his non-WR results, you see this gem:

4710 x 10.344 = 48720 here

....which is just crazy fast, fast to the point where he probably ran it at a higher speed than what he had in the screenshot.

Anyway, something's up with the orange and red results....they're just not legit. The green results are the best we could find....and are by known SPI legends, and have the hardware setting to backup the clock-for-clock greatness they have.

Looking at the top 250 results between hwbot.org and Coolaler and OPB's posts, and charting them in excel....well, pictures certainly can say a thousand words.

Quick explanation: each point represents a SPI run, look at the axis to tell what each graph is graphing....the "average" line is, based on the top 250 results and their clock-for-clock performance, that is the "average expected performance line". The "ideal" line is based on "50500"....a.k.a., a VERY well-tweaked system, and what you can expect as MHz changes.

Coolalers and OPB's results have been singled out so you can tell which are theirs. Picoo's recent run is also singled out as the new WR, and to show, that what is expected from an insanely tuned system from one of Team Japan's members.

Some sort of explanation is due....either it's a bug, a cheat, or a tweak that does what no other tweak can do in 1M: improve times by more than a few hundreths of a second.

Onepagebook, coolaler and Superpi - XtremeSystems Forums

Marco

principino1984

sembrerebbe la volta buona che qualcuno si Ã¨ rotto le scatole dei soliti ignoti che fanno WR su WR cn frequenze miserabili... e prima che cancellino o editino il post eccolo qui in versione integrale:

Vapor ha scritto:

First off, in light of TaPaKaH's recent admittance of faking everything, we're not scheming to get anyone, or anything like that. He did on his own. However, let's put that in perspective as well. We were all fooled for MONTHS. That's how possible, legitimate, and prevalent cheating really is....and it's a shame.
In zbogorgon's recent thread: How real Superpi and 3DMark results really are? - XtremeSystems Forums , he further elucidates how cheating can be done easily....he's due a lot of credit for coming forward and bringing this up, as well as recognizing where some cheating may exist.

Let's remember one key thing here....the methods that we know exist, speedhack linearly.

Well, SPi doesn't scale linearly, it's inversely proportional. You can't linearly generalize: 100MHz increase is equal to a given time decrease. However, you can say this: MHz * time ~= X, where X is constant for any given setup.

For a high speed, VERY well tweaked 975X + Conroe sytem, X is equal to about 50500. Remember this.

Let's take a look at some top SPI 1.5 results, taken from hwbot.org and from on the forum.

OPB - 5550 x 8.91 = 49451 (Oct 16) here

OPB - 5567 x 9.16 = 50994 (Oct 10) **

Maxxxpct - 5506 x 9.33 = 51370

Coolaler - 5525 x 9.00 = 49725 Lookie here

TaPaKaH - 5408 x 9.36 = 50619

OPB - 5407 x 9.39 = 50772 (Sept 24) **

Memoryextreme Team - 5348 x 9.44 = 50485

Hipro5 - 5376 x 9.45 = 50803

OPB - 5329 x 9.55 = 50892 (Sept **

ojdr2001 - 5348 x 9.55 = 51073

OPB - 5305 x 9.63 = 51087 (Sept 2) **

KP - 5297 x 9.68 = 51275

Hipro - 5217 x 9.72 = 50709

TaPaKaH - 5208 x 9.78 = 50934

zbogorgon - 5196 x 9.8 = 50920

hipro - 5138 x 9.89 = 50815

Kyosen - 4167 x 12.05 = 50212 Lookie here. FWIW, this is THE BEST clock-for-clock time to be found...that's legit at least

before - 5000 x 10.06 = 50300 Lookie here...look at that RAM speed!

kyosen - 9.937 x 5086 = 50540 Lookie here

See a trend? Known, reputable SuperPi GODS need lowish MHz, insane tweaks, and insane RAM to barely break below 50400.

Let's now take a look at Coolaler's progression, from slowest to fastest:

5200 x 9.72 = 50544 (July 12) here

5300 x 9.64 = 51092 (July 17) here

5396 x 9.485 = 51181 (July 18) here

5409 x 9.484 = 51299 (July 19) here

Now things begin to get funky

5485 x 9.204 = 50484 (July 23) here

5512 x 9.156 = 50468 (July 28) here

Now the grand finale:

5525 x 9.000 = 49725 (Aug 2) here

Not a single one of those final three has outstanding FSB/RAM speed or timings, not a single one has much headroom for MHz suicide stability....and are EXCEEDINGLY fast, especially considering his tweaking skills. Something changed....something we can't see.

Well, let's take a look at his results from above....see clock-for-clock improving over time? Then he drops the bomb: 8.906 at 5550. He also later shares all his tweaks, they're old, they don't do that much (if anything) on C2D, people have tried them. Then, if you also look back at his non-WR results, you see this gem:

4710 x 10.344 = 48720 here

....which is just crazy fast, fast to the point where he probably ran it at a higher speed than what he had in the screenshot.

Anyway, something's up with the orange and red results....they're just not legit. The green results are the best we could find....and are by known SPI legends, and have the hardware setting to backup the clock-for-clock greatness they have.

Looking at the top 250 results between hwbot.org and Coolaler and OPB's posts, and charting them in excel....well, pictures certainly can say a thousand words.

Quick explanation: each point represents a SPI run, look at the axis to tell what each graph is graphing....the "average" line is, based on the top 250 results and their clock-for-clock performance, that is the "average expected performance line". The "ideal" line is based on "50500"....a.k.a., a VERY well-tweaked system, and what you can expect as MHz changes.

Coolalers and OPB's results have been singled out so you can tell which are theirs. Picoo's recent run is also singled out as the new WR, and to show, that what is expected from an insanely tuned system from one of Team Japan's members.

Some sort of explanation is due....either it's a bug, a cheat, or a tweak that does what no other tweak can do in 1M: improve times by more than a few hundreths of a second.

Onepagebook, coolaler and Superpi - XtremeSystems Forums

Marco

principino1984

e per chi non sapesse di cosa sta parlando quando dice che TaPaKaH si Ã¨ svelato in tutti i suoi segreti ecco qui il post che ha scatenato tutto:

TaPaKaH ha scritto:

Can you please ban me?
Reasons:

I`m a big faker

none of my results are true

I have never used any of xtreme cooling (DI/LN2)

sitting @ my PII-233 box

I hate XS

the member they talk about here conroe fsb wall hacking. please help - Page 3 - XtremeSystems Forums is me

ATM I report that` I`m not mad at someone, not drunk, wasn`t hit on the street by the brick

That`s just my will.

I do not want to be an XS member anymore...

Thanks

Sam

E il link su XS:

XtremeSystems Forums

Marco

DjRudy

era l'ora......finalmente qualcuno che con grafici e teoria e non a parole ha acceso un pÃ² di luce in questo mare di Fake.....

Febry

giusto cosi'!

apix_1024

una mia maestra diceva sempre: "verbo volant, scripta manent" ovvero le parole volano (come ad esempio i presunti record..) ma lo scritto rimane (la matematica mette sempre tutto in ordine..) quindi era ora che un pÃ² di matematica semplice semplice facesse il punto della situazione!!! :fiufiu:

dj883u2

Era anche ora che finalmente si parlasse di questo schifo!

Ciao;)

Eduw2k

quasi quasi proporrei di andarlo a prendere a casa e tatuargli a fuoco la scritta FAKE sulle kiappe... :uhm: